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Arjun Basu's avatar

The mere fact that these people are gifting the future to China should be the issue. Conservatives are merely conserving the oil industry's dollars for the next few decades. That's it. And then what? There are so many arguments to make just on this front.

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Dr. Jason Polak's avatar

What's really depressing is that the Trump solution and the so-called "green" solution of clean energy are both bad. With the Trump solution, dirty energy is kept going and we pollute more. With the green solution, energy becomes cheaper and that in the long run accelerates economic development. Which means more AI datacenters, more scientific development, and more technological progress.

And encouraging that technological progress still eventually means more habitat destruction. It means economic development in poorer countries, which in turn means larger houses constructed for an expanding population there, who undoubtedly will want a share of the addictive Western lifestyle, which is likely to make the entire situation worse.

Even if the democrats were to gain power and do the maximum they could do get solar power adopted, I still would be depressed about the entire situation, because the one thing that is kept constant regardless of whether idiot Trump is in charge or the Democrats are in charge is: destructive technological growth. The only thing that changes is who gets the bigger slice of the pie and which small problems are ameliorated first.

What I'd like to see is a hardline, uncompromising approach to using LESS energy, not just finding the cleanest source to use as much as possible, which is what mainstream environmentalists do.

You say that:

> You can debate whether or not we need new AI data centers

Fact is, anyone who has this weak, compromising approach has already compromised too much with the big tech oligarchy. And that compromise is enough to keep the technological destruction going.

There's a reason Democrats lost and Trump won: Trump is uncompromising, and people like that. What Democrats need to do is take an uncompromising approach to climate change and just tell the truth. And the truth is that we need to use LESS energy because that is the right thing to do. Not just play dead and promise that the energy need can be met with solar panels.

Energy usage on the current level is wrong, both morally and practically. And if you just ignore the fact that all this technological development is exactly the problem that caused climate change in the first place, the only thing you could ever hope to win (once and a while) is the next election. But never a win for the planet, in the long run.

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